Mike Madden writes:
“I have attached 2 pictures. One of the Oldham Battalion (Pals) Manchester Regiment. And one with my Grandfather’s section, George Madden, seated in the centre of the front row. I think both pictures were taken in 1914 at Kinmel Park Barracks”
We’re grateful to Mike for sharing these gems from his family’s collection.
Mike, great photos and thanks for sharing them. I don’t want to rattle any cherished family beliefs and the following is only intended to assist……
These photo’s are not from 1914. Kinmel Camp was not built until early 1915. The 24th (Service) Battalion (Oldham) (Pioneers), Manchester Regiment, were formed in October 1914 and moved to Llanfairfechan in March 1915. They did not go to Kinmel.
Now, I’m, guessing your grandfather was George E. Madden, Private 47319. This is not a 1914 volunteer number. I’m no expert on that battalion but I’d guess from his service number that he was a conscript (i.e.1916 onwards). He went overseas (and not before 1916 for certain) with the Manchester Regiment but was transferred to the East Yorkshire Regiment as Private 30242.
To be more precise, if this is your Grandfather a Kinmel then the photo must really have been taken whilst he was with the 53rd (Young Soldier) Battalion, a training unit which moved there in late 1917. If that is the case then your grandfather was definitely a conscript and did not go overseas until 1918.
Of course, if I have the wrong George Madden please tell me and I will try to piece together his story for you.
On looking at the top picture the cap badges are Royal Artillery in the main. If these guys were at KPC I would like to add them to my book. John
I have been sent some photos by a relative of Kinmel Park and would love to learn more about the men in the photos. I have four in total each one of a separate group. They are labeled 81 or 89 Battery, 31 T.R.R.A Kinmel Park and have the Royal Artillery Hat badge logo on the front below the group. Obviously a group photo taken on completion of training. No information on the back other than British Camera Craft, 7, Bodfor Street Rhyl. Will scan and forward if you would like copies
Thanks Joy