Llaethdai Abergele dairies and commercial milk producers

Gyda diolch i Gwynn Williams, yn enedigol o Lanefydd, wedi byw yn Abergele a bellach yn Rhyl.

Here’s a list from from local singer, actor and historian Gwynn Williams showing how many farms, outlets and dairy companies sold milk in Abergele in the first half of the 20th Century:

Glan Llyn – Williams
Ty Mawr
Pen Llyn
Bryn Gwyn
Bowdon House – William Jones
Fern Bank
Siamber Wen
Tim Roberts
Jenkins
Hylas Dairies – up St George’s Rd
Tan Dderwen – Manners
Bryn Coch – Lewis
Nant Fawr – Edward Jones

I’m grateful to Gwynn for sharing this list.

When I showed this list to local historian Brian Haynes, he added another name an a nice story about :

Farmer Roberts the Weatherman in Pensarn.

Brian says:
“The Royal Welsh Show was held on part of his land. He’d come out of his farm in Pensarn  every day with two half churns balanced on either side of his bike. His weather forecasting ability was second to none. But one day, someone asked him: ‘what’s the weather going to be like today Farmer Roberts?’ and he replied: ‘I don’t know, the battery’s just run out on me radio!'”

Brian printed a set of maps and ringed the commercial dairy outlets listed by Gwynn. Here’s a detail:

Some of the dairies which used to be up St George's Rd, Abergele
Some of the dairies which used to be up St George’s Rd, Abergele

 

Oldham Battalion, Manchester Regiment (circa 1914), at Kinmel Park Barracks

Mike Madden writes:

“I have attached 2 pictures. One of the Oldham Battalion (Pals) Manchester Regiment. And one with my Grandfather’s section, George Madden, seated in the centre of the front row. I think both pictures were taken in 1914 at Kinmel Park Barracks”

 Oldham Battalion (Pals) Manchester Regiment. And one with my Grandfather's section, George Madden, seated in the centre of the front row. I think both pictures were taken in 1914.  Oldham Battalion (Pals) Manchester Regiment. And one with my Grandfather's section, George Madden, seated in the centre of the front row. I think both pictures were taken in 1914.

We’re grateful to Mike for sharing these gems from his family’s collection.

Abergele and The People’s Collection Wales

Maldwyn Huges has been in touch via our comments section to let us know about a project he’s working on to research and digitise the Abergele Town Council Archives so these treasures can be shared on the Casgliad y Werin Cymru / The People’s Collection Wales website.

Maldwyn lives just past Penrefail on the road to Llanfair TH. He’s been working with Town Clerk, Mandy Evans, on this project. After finishing with this archive he wants to offer his services by offering to scan interesting photos owned by people living in Abergele and the surrounding area. He would then pass these scans on to the bilingual People’s Collection website, which is run by the National Library of Wales.

If you’d like to work with Mal on digitising and sharing your treasured photos and items, Mal’s email address is mal.hughes (at) talktalk.net.

As he says: “We know much about the celebrities and politicians of the country, those who have the media’s spotlight turned on them, but we want to know about the ordinary men and women of Wales, their lives and their experiences.”

Celebrating 31 years behind the bar at the George and Dragon
Celebrating 31 years behind the bar at the George and Dragon

Billy Sass Davies and Ashleigh Mills Abergele soccer stars

Two Abergele teenagers aiming to kick-start careers as professional footballers have already racked up ten international caps between them. Centre-back Billy Sass Davies has trained with ex-Arsenal player Thierry Henry, while defender Ashleigh Mills is planning to crack the American soccer scene.

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Ashleigh Mills
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Billy Sass Davies

The pair are both regulars for their respective Wales international teams as well as their domestic clubs, while doing schoolwork at Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan, Abergele.

Ashleigh, 16, who plays for Prestatyn Girls Under 16s, has already played for Wales against teams from England, Ireland, Finland and Iceland.

School football team captain Billy, 15, trains three times a week at Crewe Alexandra. He’s played for Wales Under-15s against Poland,  Switzerland and Belgium.

Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan’s PE teacher and assistant curriculum leader Darren Doyle-Howson says he is delighted both Billy and Ashleigh are playing international football and representing Wales: “Both Billy and Ashleigh deserve their success and I hope to see them both earn full-time contracts in the future. They are a credit to themselves and the school.”

Source: Ceidiog PR

American Abergelite seeks info about Albert Roberts

Siân Roberts has written to ask for AbergelePost.com readers’ help:

“I’m Americian-born with a strong Abergele connection, my Father moved from there in 1968 to the US. I’m hoping to find out more information about my Taid Albert Roberts, died perhaps 1960? My father refers to his Roberts grandparents are Nain and Taid Pensarn….Might these folks be related to Roberts’ that are the topic above?

“His mother’s maiden name was Wynne-Jones, and he called her parents Nian and Taid Cadau, short for the name of the family farm south of Abergele called Cadau Mawr. I’m curious to know if my Nian (Jane Roberts, nee Wynne-Jones, died Nov. 1993) might have been related to Edward Irwine Wynne-Jones, of the Royal Welsh Fusiliers during WWI, and if so how.

“Any help would be tremendously helpful, it’s been twenty-five years since I’ve been back, and sadly I don’t think I’m going to be able to come check the records myself any time soon.”

Sian posted her comment here, so feel free to reply to her comment if you have any useful information.

Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan students impress Nobel Prize Winner

Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan sixth formers Ben Stone, George Goodall and Mike White, whose research project earned them praise from Nobel Prize winner Professor Sir Martin Evans of Cardiff University
Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan sixth formers Ben Stone, George Goodall and Mike White, whose research project earned them praise from Nobel Prize winner Professor Sir Martin Evans of Cardiff University

Three sixth formers from Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan, Abergele, have won praise from a Nobel Prize winner for their research into plant genes, after they gained places on the prestigious Nuffield Foundation project.

Ben Stone, George Goodall and Mike White have all now been offered places to study sciences at Cardiff University – where the genetic scientist Professor Sir Martin Evans – 2007 Nobel Prize winner for medicine – is Chancellor.

Tackling crop shortages due to climate change was their area of research. They spent five weeks at Aberystwyth University’s world-renowned plant sciences department, working on gene projects, researching what makes some plants more resilient to drought and pests. At the end they presented their findings at a research symposium in Cardiff, where they were handed awards by Professor Evans.

Ben, 18, from Kinmel Bay, is now planning to study for a biology degree after this summer’s A levels.  He said: “ We mainly worked on computers with the project, editing details of the plants.

“I really enjoyed my time there and it has helped me to decide what to study at university. I’ve got offers of places and I am sure that my time with the Nuffield Foundation helped with my applications.”

Mike, 17, is aiming to study chemistry, after being inspired by the project. “We all got offers from five universities, without needing to do interviews, which is unusual.

The research involved a lot of computer work, explained 17-year-old George, from Kinmel Bay, and that has helped shaped his decision to study mechanical engineering.

“This was a great experience, which I found really interesting. I am very interested in computers and this project has shown me how different parts of the world of science come together.”

Thanks to Sara at Ceidiog PR for sharing this story.

Robert Jones Bee Hotel Coachman

This is the first of a series of images of Abergele from Dennis Parr’s collection. Mr Parr will be familiar to many who’ve lived in the town since the 1960s. He used to run Parr’s shops in Market St.
This image, from his collection and reproduced with Dennis Parr’s permission, shows Mr Robert Jones,  the coachman who was employed by the Bee Hotel long ago to meet guests at Pensarn raiway station and shuttle them to the Bee Hotel.
We’ll publish more images from the Dennis Parr Collection on this site over the coming months.
from the Dennis Parr collection
from the Dennis Parr collection
from the Dennis Parr collection
from the Dennis Parr collection

Photo of 1947 Christmas Pantomime at Abergele Sanitorium

I received this fabulous photo from Mrs Gunta Binks. She writes:

“Thought this might be of interest to you, I am going through papers of my late Mother who sadly passed away in September 2014 two weeks short of her 90th birthday.  On the back is written Christmas 1947 Manchester Children’s Abergele Sanatorium, North Wales, Pantomime.  My mother’s name was Erna Darzins (Latvian refugee, who would have been 23 in 1947)) she is the lady at the back right hand side with the lion on her head! She talked fondly of her time in Abergele and no doubt the Welsh air did her good.”

1947 Abergele Sanitorium Pantomime - copyright Gunta Binks. Reproduced with her permission, with thanks.
1947 Abergele Sanitorium Pantomime – copyright Gunta Binks. Reproduced with her permission, with thanks.

New York Terrace, Abergele

New York Terrace Sea Road Junction 1872

Norman Williams recently enquired if anyone could help him to locate Eurog House, New York Terrace, Abergele. Two of his late relatives, Mary Roberts (nee Williams) and her husband, Owen Roberts, had lived there prior to their both dying in early 1901 (see The Old Pubs, Inns & Taverns of Abergele in the 1800’s). Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find anything marked on any of the surviving terrace buildings to indicate which it might have been. There again, it’s not unknown for house names to change down the years either.

There was, however, another adjacent terrace which no longer exists (see the 1872 map section above). That was called New York Street and comprised 10 properties, whereas New York Terrace had only 7 properties originally. The Terrace and Street, like Roche House which faced them, were all built by John Jones prior to 1861.

The above postcard shows Roche House on the extreme left. The right side of the same image shows the gable end of the first/last of the terraced houses in New York Street with the access just visible beyond.

Can any of our readers, perhaps with a more intimate knowledge of the area, shed any light on Norman’s query? My only other thought would be for him to contact the Local Archives in Lloyd Street, Llandudno to see if the 1900 Rates Books might clarify matters. I’ve put their contact details on the Pubs, Inns & Taverns page which has Norman’s original enquiry.

Nigel Hilton.